This podcast will help shed light on the minutia from the mind and space of a black husband, father, son, uncle, and brother. Trying to answer, Why to BIG questions that keep me up at night. While also having everyday conversations with friends and family going back to my days living at home as a military kid. There’s always something on my mind, and this space is teaching me how to use it for exactly what it is. Another Pod Opinion!!!
Todays episode is a conversation between Lincoln and McGyvr
Intro Background Music - Montell Fish @MontellFish
This podcast will help shed light on the minutia from the mind and space of a black husband, father, son, uncle, and brother. Trying to answer, Why to BIG questions that keep me up at night. While also having everyday conversations with friends and family going back to my days living at home as a military kid. There’s always something on my mind, and this space is teaching me how to use it for exactly what it is. Another Pod Opinion!!!
Todays episode is a conversation between Lincoln and McGyvr
Intro Background Music - Montell Fish @MontellFish
It's your host, Lincoln Bradshaw back, we're another part opinion, Episode Six. And I've been gone for a little bit, but I hope you understand being a father of four. So I got some things I got to take care of every now and then. So then new ventures coming up along the way, a lot of new things popped up over the last few weeks, kind of kept me away from the microphone kind of kept me away from you guys. But you know, it's gonna be pretty exciting, I hope to share some of that with you don't want to spoil it too much. But without further ado, let's get right to it. So check it out. It has been, it has been a little bit to the media show. And I, I recognize that. But something came up recently, I saw this article, and it was why I podcast and a brief conversation about goals and ambitions. And I did just so you know, I did not fully read the whole thing, because I didn't even get to the end of it. Because I immediately recognized halfway through some of the things that I was kind of leaning on some of the things that were my hang up some of the things that were issues for me that I struggled with, right. So again, you know, you get in your head a little bit, and I had this, like, overall this great old plan of something that I really wanted to do. And I've been working on it. But I really didn't formulate, you know, like, how I wanted to, you know, you know, just bust out these episodes, but I did have a plan of what I wanted, right? Like I you know, you kind of start putting something together in your head. Anyways, I digress. The ultimate point of it is, is I got to a point in the article, it says, The guy says if you're not just doing it, just to figure everything else out, then you're doing it, you're not doing it for the right reasons. And that was something that stuck with me. Because ultimately, when I started doing this, I just started doing it just because I mean, I wanted my voice to be heard. And I felt that there were some things that I was needing to express. And this was a platform for me to do that. Not only was this a platform for me to do that, but this was, you know, an opportunity, hey, you know, pandemic, you know, lose your job, retool yourself, find something else like that you can do and this was an outlet that I truly, truly am passionate about. And I love the conversations that I've had. And I've had more conversations that I just haven't published yet. But that is my goal for the rest of you know, I will say up until, you know, midway point of this year, because what we got June and July, I'm gonna I'm gonna make it a point to make sure that all my unused stuff gets put out one way or another. And I'm not going to be hung up on how it sounds. Now I will tell you just as you know, a precursor some of it. Some of it's kind of bad. I listened to some of it. And I'm like, oh, man, but you know what? That's the That's That was the point of the article. You're I'm overthinking it. And then sometimes you start doing that, like you can literally start overthinking something about podcasting until you're deep in it. Because you start getting in your head about certain things. Oh, I need to get this or not, oh, man, don't worry about all that. Truly, the best thing that I've learned from what I've been trying to do is I'm just happy that I'm starting to build some of these relationships. Like with some of the people that I'm talking to, I had an opportunity to meet you know, this black lady at and hurt. I think it was her sister and her a couple of her friends. They got this little thing called mix me. I'm just gonna give it a shout out. And it's, uh, you know, the Little Sisters put something together they wanted to bake. And you know, they were doing some online things and they just happen to come out to the farmers market. And I was like, yeah, that's what's up. Okay. And I, you know, took some pictures shook their hands, realize that we're a little you know, we got a couple of six degrees of separation here for some of the people in our circles that we didn't realize that we knew, which was really kind of dope, but the best thing about it was my son wanted to go he loves that thing. My kid loves that. That atmosphere. Plus, he's just he's just a ball of energy and curiosity at 12 Anyways, I digress moving on, but why do I podcast I can tell you why. I personally enjoy making these episodes like it's the process when you think about it. You know, I like doing it because this is nice. Before it's an outlet, but what else can you do? That is basically on your own. I mean, there's 1000 things people can do. I know. But the one thing that I'm starting to figure out is, I'm finding some things that I really liked doing. It started opening up another avenue as far as going back to my photography, I used to take pictures all the time when I was when I was in high school. And when I was in college, and then for some reason, you know, like, whether or not I grew up, and I just got away from it, but you know, life happens. But now at this point, man, it's all about the experience. Looking at, I'm not even gonna lie to you is, it's like the stories that are starting to strike my fancy are the stories of No, I guess you would call it injustice. I mean, I don't know, we're just some type of like, man, we are still behind the eight ball in some way, shape, or form. And it's because of this stupid law that was passed eons ago, and it's now rearing its head and people are made are finally aware about it. Because of something that just happened. Right? You know what I'm saying? Then I started thinking to myself, how many more of these do we have? You know, that's why I said that. That's why I sent you the Richard Rothstein thing, because I'm just starting to read that book, man. And I'm only in the chapter two. And I'm like, This is nuts. That stuff that is literally, it's literally in place is built to keep us behind. You don't I'm saying?
McGyvr:Yeah. But it's,
Lincoln Bradshaw:but it's like it's, there's only a few who that who have been able to like, alright, for instance, let me just kind of put like, so when I came when I hear that pick yourself up by your bootstraps thing like after, after no learning some of this stuff? That's absolutely impossible. That was absolutely impossible to do back then. Absolutely. I mean, it was, because because what they ended up doing was is that they ended up shuttling all these people to these neighborhoods, because it kind of worked out like, Oh, you want to help us with the war? Perfect, you know, well, what we'll do is we'll create a law for white people to go over here. And this will be your kind of neighborhood, right? And then we'll keep, you know, helping out until like, well, the war was over, then what did they do? They stopped taking care of it. And so then when you start kind of just deconstructing pieces of that, and you start going back even further, it's like, Man, this is kind of crazy. You know, what I mean? Like, it is really crazy. I don't know.
McGyvr:And to me, it seems like you know, we just continue to play by the rules, even though that you set up to fail, if you if you play by the rules. And that's what I was talking about coloring outside the lines. Okay, the rules state is that if I've been describing rules, if you didn't do it in the room, you know, like, as a way of thinking, you know, a lot of times, probably you guys, you know, if you ran into me, five years ago, we'd have been on the same page about 99.9% of everything that we've talked about. But again, just the way, you know, the way we look at it, you know, back then, absolutely. That was saying things look bad and hold back, I need to call you and make a face. We'll hire niggers, whatever. But I believe if they hadn't met, you gotta pay for you. Or I don't know. I think people need our aid or not, and our cohort grew up in an integrated society. So reasons people are missing. And there are people who will feel you know, back into back through you over just because you're black. But I just think that it's not as bad as it was. I mean, we, a lot of times I look at it, and, you know, yes, those things did happen. But a lot of times, I feel like we hold ourselves back. Whether there's a whole lot of way.
Lincoln Bradshaw:So let me so and so. Alright, so I can tell you this, I can tell you that. I can see what you're saying from the standpoint that I think I think it's a little I think that's still a little bit of gray, meaning that I agree with you on half of it. And I'm not saying that I don't agree with you on the other half. It's just I think it's just I think there's a pivot in there, right? Like, so what I'm saying is, is, alright, when you like you said, if you kind of built this thing, right, and you literally leave it, and they don't really have a lot of options. And then when you say think outside the box, it takes, it takes the one, right, it takes the first one to do that. Right, it's takes the second one to kind of keep going, keep it going. And then it takes, you know, again, like, it just takes the plight of the black people like to ultimately do what they ended up doing. Right. I mean, but, you know, but when you look at how society still is literally trying to pump the brakes on changes in the law. Like, I'm just thinking to myself, like, I guess, I guess I'm confused. Right? I guess, I guess I'm confused from the standpoint that dude, there's nothing in it anymore. Like there's, I guess I don't see the value in holding on to that old stuff. Right? And in not letting just move forward? Like, why? Why can't we move past that? When they're supposed to be like, you know, again, regardless of what party you're on, you know, why can't they seem to look at and like, I've haven't even heard of the any of these things being brought to the floor as, hey, we want to get rid of this, or we want to change this, or we want you know what I mean?
McGyvr:Right, and I'll say in park, like, to me, that's one of those things that you know, we we don't own a politician, right. So, you know, for whatever reason, then, Asians have attacked somebody in Congress, or somebody in the Senate or somebody somewhere, they got their bill passed, Native Americans got bill passed, they got sick. We do not have that we do not often like that. I think that those those groups of people get things done because they worry about themselves. And while we run around here worried about everybody, oh, my god, are you crazy? Oh, my God, this and the third as opposed to oh, my God, what about me? And when I say me, I'm talking about us collectively as black women, African Americans, but none of that we as free men and women, you know, we allow other movements to cooperate. You know, we, you know, a couple of years ago, you know, being civil rights movement, and it was like, Okay, you're gonna come in you that you get what you want out of it. But then, you know, when it comes down to anything, you know, I'm getting first, not black. You know what I mean?
Lincoln Bradshaw:Yeah, but I mean, come on. Now. Like, that's, that's like, even with the white people, the white people in the same way, I'm gay until until I need my whiteness.
McGyvr:Right? No, no. I'm sending to white folk, okay, just the society they set up. They
Lincoln Bradshaw:know, they know, I'm following you. I'm tracking you. And you know, and I'm hearing everything that you're saying. The one thing that about that, though, is, is you said something in the beginning of that, like, What did you say when, in the very beginning of your statement? Like when you started to get Yeah, when you started saying something, I missed part of it, but I was trying to catch up. But you said something, and it caught my ear. And I wanted to
McGyvr:go backwards, but you know, the other groups of people,
Lincoln Bradshaw:groups of people, that's what it was. That's what it was. So let me touch on that. You're absolutely right about that. And I agree with you. I 100%. I wouldn't I would I would say not 100%. I was 7030. With you. Right? And what I mean by 7030 is, I agree that black people in general, as not saying as a whole, I mean, you have your pockets, right? Like where the communities really tight, and people are really, really tight, and they're just looking out for each other. It just so happens to be those poor neighborhoods. You know what I mean? Those families, you know what I mean? Those that's just kind of have been my experience with it. But you know, when you remember we talked about you mentioned, about the being programmed, but our Do you think over the course of like just centuries, and I see this and I can even reflect on even I reflect on me as a as a high school kid, man, like I remember, I was, it seemed like, there were times I was looking for acceptance. But I didn't feel like I was looking for acceptance with my peers, that my black peers, I was looking for acceptance with my white peers, and I and I can tell you now, then, I can't I couldn't identify why. Like, I just I just couldn't understand it. Like, you know what I mean? It's like that thought that you have in your head. I was aware, you know, you can only act a certain way around white people. Like that's just my parents taught me that way. But then it was then I kind of started getting into like, Well, I think I feel like I need to be accepted by you know what I mean? And so when you when you start off like that, or even if it's in your mind, or if it's even part of your upbringing, you kind of have to do you kind of have to just kind of turn that switch off and be like, Man, I can't think like that anymore.
McGyvr:Right, and then entering a program all the time, like, I mean, there's, you know, a good program will just run, right, you know, it could be you know, it'll just run this program will now I was looking at I was listening to somebody another podcast, and this person's described the black coat there as crash. And it was like, you know, he said, everybody else. But then, you know, I went in and started looking at Coke, right? Like, when I came to Florida, I can't remember, but there was a German society or some kind of social club, where they went out to their club house, and they drank their beer, German days, they were German clothes, they did German dances, things of that nature. And I imagine that most places around the world have a Coker that doesn't kill. I think about the foods that we eat, it kills. The reason that we both poultry, and ethnic thing, hold the fuckboys and make it for the last 30 years. We're constantly program, when you see I'm deciding now it just looks more like it is more acceptable. And you know, we had Jerry Springer to help us do that is the destruction of the nuclear family. We had Mari to help with that. But it's the I recognize that well, first of all, that you are programmed to look at the program, and then you will see that very helpful. What do I think? No.
Lincoln Bradshaw:All right. Well, let's so let me ask you this. Okay. So when you even just taking that thought, right, like, like, if you just take that thought, like, there's so many aspects of that when you go back to how they got to that point, right. And the one thing that the other thing that popped up that I was I was looking at over the weekend was how lead poisoning, and dumping of chemicals always end up in black neighborhoods, or by black neighborhoods or neighborhoods of color. Right. And I was looking at this thing, this thing is how it is like, it's this article says lead poisoning, disproportionately affects black communities. So and I was watching this thing, and it is this thing, this video where he's talking about, there's this place in Chicago in this neighborhood, that I guess the EPA has deemed that they have 200 times per million, the amount of lead in the soil in this black neighborhood. Like it's supposed to be like 400 parts per million, right? It's like 2100 parts per million for lead. And I'm like thinking, and it's in this. And it's in this community color. And when you look at how they talk about how it how it came to be, I guess it's off this river, right? That that goes through Chicago or something like that. And Kim and companies dump all their stuff in there, right? And the water and where it leads at, it leads back to these places of color. So they were talking about when you look at if you look at a city, any city in America, and you look up industrial areas, right? If you look at the industrial areas, all those areas are neighbored or next to neighborhoods of color. And then it was even crazier. This one is one clip talked about how there is this, I can't remember what state it's in. But it's a shingle dump. Like I think the shingles on your house, right? Like, okay, so what happened was this, this, this company, company takes shingles and they, you know, they dump it, or they they're in charge of basically the waste, right. And so what happened was they were they were dumping it. They were originally dumping it near a black or in a white neighborhood. It was near a white neighborhood. Yeah, exactly. That's how it started. And then white people said, Nah, man, get this out of here. And guess where they decided to move it? They literally moved it. They literally moved it, like to another zip code, but in a black neighborhood. And it's like they know, it's like it's just a pile of like, it's shingles. And it's the most disgusting thing. I'm like, why is it that when America wants to get rid of something, or wants to dump something? If it's not, I mean, why do they know that it's not good enough for white people, but why do they want to think that it is good enough for black people?
McGyvr:No, it's not the day thing is good enough of like, they don't I don't know the day. You know, a lot of times I think that we as black people think that white people think about us like we, we think that they think about it.
Lincoln Bradshaw:No, no, I'm not even saying that. I'm not saying I'm saying that okay.
McGyvr:consideration about you? I mean, it's not, I don't necessarily have to hate you in the fire. I don't think about it without, I can't put it over here. Now you because you raised the foot, and you got it out of your neighborhood? I'll put it over here. Don't nobody say anything. Right? And that's why, you know, he continues to happen. Nobody says anything, nobody does anything. You know, maybe that's why it happened to Congo while out like they do this land in the ground or in water, or whatever. What if you notice it's not raining down from some, you know, Draco, is coming up off the ground against you? I don't know. But I'm just saying that, you know, we don't wanna I don't think we really value our community like that.
Lincoln Bradshaw:What do you mean, we value our communities?
McGyvr:Well, my wife, put us in my community, put it on there.
Lincoln Bradshaw:No, but this was literally, this was like a bill, man like this bill was passed. And they? I guess, from my understand here, let me let you know what, let me I'm pulling it up right now. Hold on one second. So as I look at this, it's you know, this article is called shingle mountain, right. And they said, The mountain is a human made and environmental nightmare of discarded roofing shingles. But where it started, right, it started in a white neighborhood. And then they moved it to a black neighborhood. But the thing about this, she goes, recent studies have shown that minority residents in Dallas, breathe more polluted air than white resonance, and have a significantly shorter lifespan. You know what I mean? And so that's what, like, ultimately, kind of like I'm leading down that road. Like, I'm not saying it's a conspiracy. I'm not saying that at all. Right? I'm saying is, America has created a class system, right. And a class system is based on color. Right? And within that, and within that system, I mean, the people who's writing all the laws who are at the top, well, they're whatever's happening. They know that, well, I don't want this in my neighborhood. So you can put it wherever you want. Just don't put it near me. So what did they end up doing? Instead of trying to find ways of actually to dispose of something? They just said, Oh, well, we're just going to put it in this project that has been here for like, since like the 50s. What we'll do is we'll just put it over here near these people, because they'll be okay with it. Like that seems to me like that's their approach to it.
McGyvr:And I would agree with you now those people that the community that stuff was sick to all the men they got Council they got they got a state representatives, they take tennis, they got you know, they there's somebody who's supposed to be representing these people. Now, my question is, what the hell are they doing? And that's, that was another reason why, you know, you know, I always get into this mess with everybody just about, you know, voting in general. And if you just vote for this person, because he's black, or because they're Democrat or whatever, and, okay, we can we've been doing it for 60 years, that we still got same problems, allegedly. Right. So I guess the, you know, my thing is, well, let's let's try something different and that's probably you know, that's, you know, whenever conversations that can be missed and go, we don't have to do that we can do some different. We don't have to vote for them. We can do some different we can hold our vote, and right. No, no, no, you know, voting for this person, but this person doesn't get anything or he didn't get anything. That's my thing. And holding people accountable, especially like, you know, Congress people say, Well, this crap. Oh, hell
Lincoln Bradshaw:yeah, I can't get in all that. I'm gonna be honest with you. I can't get into that deepens from from the standpoint of who's collecting what who's getting paid what who's getting what, kickback? That part? I can't I can't address that part yet. Because I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the other part of it. Right. Like you just said, you said the part that was super important. You know, people need to people need to get out and make make a statement. Right. But what I'm curious as to if you're in a district, that is where the Everything's being shifted, right? The voting lines in districts are changing, because people don't want to lose. If you if you're in a district like that, and you don't have a voice and you don't have power, what do you have? Do you see what I'm saying? Like,
McGyvr:it's an opportunity to think or do something differently, either vote with their feet move, or, like, okay, even if it's under representative, whatever, like I said, those districts in Chicago and New York and LA and an interested audience, I'm almost certain that, you know, Democrats, that even the, you know, Democrats, a lot of them. So if that's the case, well, we didn't we just start investigating there. I'm not saying just thought right now.
Lincoln Bradshaw:I think you're right. I think that's I mean, I think that needs like you. And that's a great way to look at it. I mean, they people need to start looking into, you know, investigating the people that are supposed to be representing them. Like there's got to be some type of accountability. Like for instance, you know, we look at Kiersten cinema, right? And, you know, you know, they cloud her last night, like, Trevor Noah cloud over the weekend anyways. But you know, she's not, she's not even truly representing us, because it looks like she's basically walked away from the table on a lot of issues that represent a lot of people. You know what I mean? And so then I start thinking to myself, Okay, wait a second, if she was for this before, what has changed? And then it always seems to come down to, or people insinuate it always seems to come down to money,
McGyvr:money, probably, or I want to get reelected.
Lincoln Bradshaw:Okay, let me ask you this. You have an opportunity to do that. And then let's say, let's say you, you, your, your your congressman, let's say you're in the politics, and I'm asking you truly how you truly feel about like, I mean, not talking about your beliefs. If someone walked up and said, Hey, man, this is what we need from you. This is an issue that's coming down the pipe, and we need you to help us with this. And let's say it's, whatever it is, I can't come up with an I can't come up with some right now. But whatever it is, it doesn't matter. But it's definitely against people of color, or people that you represent a large majority of them being the minorities, right? But it's only going to cost you but it's only human, but you know, they're gonna give you I think, what couple million dollars? Right? I mean, you take care of this or you know, whatever. I don't know, I'm just throwing that out there. And I don't know if they paid people millions of dollars or half a million. But let's say it's a half aminos Hey, $500,000 I need you to vote no on this. And I need you to make try to make sure it never comes back up.
McGyvr:Right. I think that's what happened. No, I'm
Lincoln Bradshaw:asking me what do you do? You
McGyvr:owe me? I'm not gonna do it on the I'm gonna I'm not gonna take your money. Now now, I'm beholden to you know what, okay, now? I've written dirty with you. If I was pissed you off or something? No comes around. You just have to do that. He did it.
Lincoln Bradshaw:Well, I think that and I, but I think there's a little show game in there, right? I think when those things happen, that's why guys walk. That's why guys retire. Hey, I'm getting out. I'm leaving. You know what I mean?
McGyvr:Yeah, there's a lot of Democrats that are just not running this month. I give up equity. I'm gonna I'm not running this year.
Lincoln Bradshaw:I'm not even I'm not even seeing Democrats or Republicans. Like, truly, honestly, I could care less at this point.
McGyvr:Because it wasn't the number that's not running. It's just like the thickness, something like that. That's the only reason the fans out.
Lincoln Bradshaw:Right. But I mean, I don't know. I just think that I Okay, let me You know, I want to come back to like holding people accountable. If you had an opportunity, right to hold someone accountable. Like if you could, like, how would you go about doing that? Like off the top of your head like, I mean, like, should there be another layer of people to be watching those congressmen and senators? You don't I'm saying like, mean? I mean, I don't know.
McGyvr:Okay, but you think about how many congressmen and senators own stock and you know, they're discussing, you know, stocks and in this stock and heading to the tech, like the military or something like that. Okay, we're gonna prove it. They get the buy in before everybody else.
Lincoln Bradshaw:I know, man, and I know what you're talking about. Like they're not supposed to. I know they're not supposed to but
McGyvr:but if we knew what he was saying,
Lincoln Bradshaw:No, I wouldn't be like, I will be like this. I'm gonna be on honest with you, I can't truly tell you man like, like, because I don't have a lot, right? Like, I'm coming. I'm a guy who's just a dude. Right? I got I got I got probably two nickels to rub together. You know, I mean, I got humbled. I got a humble house, whatever you want to call, how are you? I'm not rich. Right? But if you throw a lot of money at me all of a sudden, and it changes a lot of things for I'm, I'm just trying to be honest with you. Right? Like, I mean, I can't say that I would or wouldn't do it. But, and a lot of that that money changes some outlooks on things. Like
McGyvr:that's why we have the system that we have, right? My personal opinion,
Lincoln Bradshaw:I am with you. Because it only takes because it really a lobbyist only has to tug on the one thing that it really, that really, really that you're really invested in, you know what I mean? Like something that really hits close to home. That's all they need. That's how they got Martha mcsalley. I mean, I mean, the lobbying the travel lobbying group, they were like, hey, Martha, we need to do next thing, you know, she had like, a Marriott black card or something like that something crazy. I don't know. I'm just kind of assuming I'm making something up. But it was like she got this huge kickback for trying to push this thing on the you know, the travel industry. But then she lost her election. So I guess it was worth it.
McGyvr:I don't know. Is it worth it?
Lincoln Bradshaw:So there's there's so the other thing I wanted to ask you about was you brought up the missing disinformation. What's it called? The disinformation
McGyvr:disinformation governance?
Lincoln Bradshaw:Yes, the disinformation governance board, okay. Was in your mind about it.
McGyvr:Um, you know, I've heard apprenticeship A while back, like, you know, early on in the pandemic, you know, if you had beliefs or views or something like that, you were ticked off or silenced, your page was taken away. And you know, a couple of months or a couple of years later, you know, you're at, you're able to say that, right around the election, whenever, you know, 100, Biden's laptop came up, I was. Like, that ain't happened, you know, and then, you know, a year and a half later, it's like, you know, the New York Post or whatever, these newspapers terrify the laptop, and this is the stuff that's on it. And, you know, you know, the big guy gets 10%, less than a third. Now, whenever the election was going on, I think they suspended the New York Times what it is, I mean, Twitter, Facebook, social media, every all the platforms where people go to express themselves. If you have an unpopular view, you need to be settled banned. You have your title taken down, you'll get copyrighted or something will happen to you because you say something that somebody does not like, it's not that it's not true. They just don't like it, that you put it out there. And, you know, I need to spin it the other way.
Lincoln Bradshaw:All right. Let me ask you this question about that, specifically, because there's so many things about free speech, right? Let's just keep it real. There's so many aspects about it. That is just, to me, I think free speech truly isn't free. Unless, I mean, it's free, as long as you're willing to accept whatever consequences come up, like, do we can talk about this all day? Like, for instance, I mean, Chris Rocketman, kind of climbing that mountain, and then you know, free speech cost them, right? I mean, let's just keep it real. And that whole situation, and I don't even truly believe Will Smith did it, I hate or out of anger. He was just, I mean, he did it with an open hand. He's like, Hey, man, stop it. Right. I mean, now you look at free speech from the standpoint of the social platforms. My concern has always been, as I look into it, is how, if it's how people use it, like, right, it's the intent of the individual. Look, I can I mean, that I can understand if you want to play the dozens and we want to go out on Twitter, hey, you know what, let's have at it, right. But it's the part where the person who doesn't recognize or understand the tone of the conversation. Do you see what I'm saying? And then it's that person who, you know, ended up doing stuff like we had on January 6, you know, they end up taking that and be like, oh, yeah, let's, let's literally go try and kill Nancy Pelosi and all the other right. To me to this day, that is still, I still don't understand that right? Like it to me, it just shows the weakness of how, how white individuals are truly afraid that they truly think somebody is coming to take something from them. Like, I don't know what they were thinking. But that's kind of how they acted.
McGyvr:Okay? Like I said, that's the same, just the opposite side of the same coin of the Black Lives Matters burning down cities left and right, just a year before, saying This got an energy different side of the coin. You go through, but you know, burn up your own communities and all that, oh, yeah, they gotta sit for a minute or two. But then you know, whenever you know, they don't rebuild the soul. In those neighborhoods, like they don't rebuild the Walgreens or rebuild the Wendy's. They don't rebuild. Now you don't get yourself wrong.
Lincoln Bradshaw:Okay. But let me ask you this, though.
McGyvr:People who rise in capital,
Lincoln Bradshaw:I know, but no one. But check this out, though. Who's playbook is that when you look at burning down cities, whose playbook is that? That's not, that's not our playbook. I can tell you when it's not. No, it's not. That is white people's playbook. When you go back to all those times and before Tulsa, when you start looking at anytime black people started to try to do something for themselves. Like, I mean, I don't have the entire history of Tulsa. I can't tell you the entire history of Tulsa. I can tell you this. Those people were trying to make something for themselves on their own. And what did they do? What did white people do? White people burned it down. I mean, there are numerous times even in North Carolina, you and I, I mean, I think Kenny brought I mean, Kenny brought it up to me one time, like he told me about it. Yeah, there was something in Bloomington or something like that. I can't remember the town. Greensboro that's what it was Greensboro. And then what happens is, is it's okay, and it's good to burn black neighborhoods. But when Black when white people kill a black man, and people are tired of it, and then the city burns down was like, Oh, well, black people just want to burn their neighborhood. That's not true. That is not true. Because the one thing about Tulsa that was that has never been fixed, that that city has never been redirected. Like that setback in that city has never been re erected. But you know what they do in Minnesota? You know what all that stuff. Everybody's got insurance. Everybody's willing, everybody can get those buildings replaced. But you know, one of the one thing you cannot get back, you cannot get that guy's life back. You can
McGyvr:I guess it all that. I mean, I understand what you're saying. I still Yes. That's the white folks have done for the longest, from probably the lowest. They've been here. So what I'm talking about is like the democratic playbook. I'm like, okay, so fast forward to the 1960s. And we already know, you got a white Luther King ladies burn.
Lincoln Bradshaw:I am with you. Like I'm a there's so much about what you're saying that I'm with like, like when you mentioned the Democratic Party. I can't even I don't even I can't even put my mind and thinking about parties.
McGyvr:Right? I'm not even talking about parties. I'm talking about, like, a lot of times, I feel like we still run the same game plan from the 60s. Like I said, you know, there were a lot of sprites in the 60s. A lot of cities burned. I mean, he I think Troy and I think maybe Baltimore, I mean, just a lot of cities burn. Fast forward. I know the same thing happened in the 70s. Same thing happened probably an aide. I mean, in the 90s with Rodney gate. Oh, yeah, la. That wasn't like people coming in and burning that stuff out. And then, you know, just again, just eat fast food and fast food and fast food and so maybe, maybe wait for how to do that. And we just wouldn't you know, again,
Lincoln Bradshaw:let me ask you this. You brought up a good point. So do you think the burning of La not the Watts riots, but the whole thing was Rodney King, you don't think that was justified? I'm not saying I'm not saying that Rodney King deserved the beating. I'm not saying those cops deserved to get off. I'm saying the end result. What is the message?
McGyvr:Okay, they have to look at you know, policies and outcomes. That's easy. What?
Lincoln Bradshaw:No, no, not policy. Like, I mean, like the jury, like, just in your mind like think think. Okay. Did I remember that time? What year was it? That was 1990? What 9293 Something around there, right? Yes. Do okay. The thing that Oh, no, it was like 94. I remember because I was I was done with football. I was yes. I was done with football. And I remember me In my dudes that I was hanging out with college, we were watching this. We were like, I remember we like go OJ, right. And when but when you know what I mean? Like I remember I remember that because right before that because 95 was OJ thing. And then 93 was Rodney King, but when Rodney King verdict came down as not as not guilty, I can tell you that in my mind, I was like, what does that mean for me? I could just tell you what I felt, I can't tell you what's right or wrong. I can just tell you like, man, like, we get brothers get beat up on, like, somebody stopped and recorded that. And in its own video, and they still got off. I can tell you I was scared to drive home. Because I was with a couple of people that were supposed to go home for Christmas break. And I can tell you everything about traveling makes me nervous. Because I didn't know what was gonna happen. Right.
McGyvr:Okay, so heavily before. I mean, like, you know, beat you up. And, you know, or are you somehow living vicariously through Rodney King?
Lincoln Bradshaw:No. So So it happened in so Rodney King thing that happened in like, I think 93 So I was poor. I was actually in front of my house. Right? It was a freshman or sophomore year in college, I was going to JUCO. And this particular event, I was I was hanging out with a friend. And I didn't have a car, right? But it was like 910 o'clock at night. And I'm literally on the corner of my house, like and my flip flops, she was gonna come by and pick me up and we were gonna hang out, right. And I'm literally sitting out there, and these cops in my neighborhood, or at least cops, Kate, you know, put their driving around. And you know, you can tell when cops are looking for somebody, like it's like you kind of see them everywhere to kind of drive it a little fast or whatever, you know. And so they were kind of like driving like the guy to turn back around. And he turned his lights on me. And I was just standing there. Like, literally, I was literally standing there waiting on my beeper to go off like because I didn't have a cell phone. That was the beeper age. And and it was literally just sitting there hanging out. And I had my and I had the cordless phone in my hand. Because I was waiting, you know, to get the call, like we're supposed to be hooked into, you know, trying to make sure that you know, to get there. Anyways, fast forward. So the cop literally says, Hey, man, I need you to get your hands up and get on the ground. I was like, I was like, for what? I live here. This is my parents are in the house. He goes, I need you to get your hands up and get on the ground and put the phone down. And as like, as like I am in front of my house. I said, I really just want to go get my parents like literally, I live right there. And he says do not move or he says do not move or I will put a hole in you. And I like that and I'm literally so at the time I was like 18 Right. I was 18 and I and I'm thinking myself, like Dude, this is not that serious. I told him I said, Hey, man, I'm literally live right there. And I'm waiting on a girl to come get me. Like, we're just kind of trying to get the other hand. He told me to shut up. He said I was like, Okay, and so I start getting on the ground, start working my way on the ground. And then he comes up and he puts his foot on my wrist. I was like, Hey, man, easy. Go, Dude, I got a game and a couple of days. And I said, Please don't he goes. And he just told me to shut up. And I was like, I was like, please don't step on my hand. Right? So he kind of got up, but ultimately, another car comes. And they were looking for somebody who robbed a lick Rob, like a convenience store. Five miles from my house. So I was like, Hey, what's up? He goes, there was a robbery. You fit the description. I fit the description of what a guy standing outside my house, right? And the guy's like, you know, you fit the description of someone who just robbed a convenience store. I said, and I said in flip flops. Do you see what I'm saying?
McGyvr:I deal with it. And like I said for whatever. I don't know.
Lincoln Bradshaw:I was just happy to get out of that. Like, okay, good. You bring up another point, you bring up another point. You bring up another point. I did not want to go follow. I did not want to go find anything. You know why? Because I was while I was I was nine to 18 and 19. And I was worried because I had that cop runs in my neighborhood.
McGyvr:Yeah. We had another run.
Lincoln Bradshaw:Time in remember, I know.
McGyvr:This is what I'm saying that I think this is why things like this continue to happen to us. We didn't when we sent out the paper trail we were not this guy. Okay. Okay, let's say you had another 2345 stages. And then now you said well, now well as opposed to you having a paper trail, right? But again, like I said, there's a lot of these things that happen us. There are things that we can do we just don't do
Lincoln Bradshaw:right But so, but if you didn't take that, but if you even take that, I will tell you, I didn't know how to handle that. I truly did not know how to handle that. And I did not sit and I never said a word to my parents. You know why? Because they would have done exactly what it was. No, but remember, you got to remember man, like, I grew up in a town I grew up, like if the police were ever involved, I was always worried about it, they were going to try to spin a story. Right? Because I had been I listen, just to keep it real. Like, like, I'd never gotten soup, a lot of trouble. When I was a kid, I had a couple runt I had like, one run in in high school, right? But it was I lived in I lived overseas, my pension, the military, yada, yada, yada. And me and my buddies, we were like riding our bikes. And this is when I thought no one was watching us. I went in someone's garage and grabbed the bottle and broke it. And that was it. Right? That's, that was the end of it. So to me, my thought is is dude, this cop just kind of just put me on and he put me on it like, do I if I go file something, he knows where I live? Like, you know, I'm saying and I didn't know how to handle that. But again, like when you say I should have told my parents, I was scared to tell my parents because I didn't know what they were gonna be mad at me for being somewhere. You see what I'm saying? Like, that's just
McGyvr:part of the program. And as part of
Lincoln Bradshaw:the program, that's the program.
McGyvr:That's what I'm paying.
Lincoln Bradshaw:To situation. Yes, I was programmed.
McGyvr:So think about it. This is one of your same thing. What do you want them to tell you? Oh, you ever keep it to themselves?
Lincoln Bradshaw:I'm glad you brought that up. Because I have tried, I have deprogram myself in the making sure that, hey, this is how we handle things. Right? Like, if this ever happens, and I try to give them the playbook, hey, this ever happens, I want you to do this immediately. Right? When I started giving them the rundown, I said, Do this, do this, do this. And I said and you know, just kind of keep it simple, right? My older one, you know, as he's getting a little bit older, he's gonna go to high school. You know, I gotta, I gotta give him more information. So, you know, it's, but it's crazy, man. It's just, it's just one of those things, right? It's just, it's just one of those things, you know, we do the best we can with what we got. And at the end of the day, you know, I just want us to be as a community, and as a group of people more in tune with what we need to do for ourselves, and how to make ourselves better. And stop, you know, stop worrying about them cats, you
McGyvr:know, this, I mean, okay, whatever it is that they do. I mean, whether it be, you know, like a whole brand new political party, but hey, let's back the politicians, the politicians that are gonna put forth legislation to pass things instead of, you know, I think, you know, I've heard many people just say, Oh, they passed the anti lynching bill. That's so great. No, that's
Lincoln Bradshaw:exactly like that's like, I didn't You mean, kind of like, that's almost like a slap in the face, man. Like, why are we passing this now? Like, this should have been passed, like years ago?
McGyvr:Which I think like, no, no, why do we need it? Murder is illegal. Anyway, anybody who has not died from it? They were murdered. And we don't need the anti lynching bill, because murder is illegal.
Lincoln Bradshaw:When you put it that way, what is what is it? What is it what is different about the anti lynching Bill anyway? Like, what's different than first degree murder? You know, that's a great question.
McGyvr:I don't know that. I have to really look at it. But my, my, my, where I'm at with my kind of my point is like, you're telling me Yeah, we passed this bill for y'all. But you know, as a US citizen, I'm protected anyway, like, you know, murdering a US citizen is illegal, okay, who, who did it for why they did it? And like, you know, but again, that was one of those is a political man and it's for whoever it is. And then you get to you know, get to a gay you kind of thing, but, you know, but it's another one of the platitude or you know, just the emptiness I forget the word I was used for but you know, you you got a good feeling and that was it you know, nothing stuff in it is that'll change is I guess, really what I'm saying about it
Lincoln Bradshaw:Hey, so check it out. So I'm looking at the anti lynching bill, and I'm reading this right check it out. So it says section 249 A of the title eight tene United States Code is amended by adding it at by adding at the end of the following lynching whoever conspired to commit any offence under paragraph one, two or three, shall if death or serious bodily injury, as defined in Section 2246 of this title, result from the offence be imprisoned for not more than 30 years. Fine in accordance with the title, but Wait, so you're telling me So then, how much time do this Funland get from murdering somebody? Well, depending on who it is, it'd be 25 to life in Florida, if you commit a crime with 25 years, but the fact that they say you own you're not gonna get more than 30 years. Are they saying it's up to the discretion of the sentencing judge? Is that how that's worded? Yeah. Wow.
McGyvr:You know, somebody got some kudos for getting it passed. It made people feel good for about a week and then it's like business as usual. It's not, it's not easy. Like
Lincoln Bradshaw:it's not like it seems. Yeah, you're right. Now that I'm thinking about it, this thing is literally two pages. And it looks like it was just, it looks like it was done just for Emmett Till purposes only. Because, because of what they did to him. Say what they think